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Hello, beautiful! Welcome back to Sex. Love. Power. We’re asking for more today. We’re going to talk about why women are so often reticent to bring up what they desire with their partners, and how we can.
I’m Michele Lisenbury Christensen and I invite you here each week to join this conversation because in the lives of busy, ambitious people - often with big careers and families they’re in the midst of raising - there’s not a lot of space devoted to talking about delicious sex, deeper love, and how to cultivate them both. And there are VERY few conversations about how modern gender dynamics and the dynamics of power and privilege play into love and sex. Yet to create the intimacy, the passion, and the fulfillment we yearn for, we MUST create space for this conversation. This podcast is where I drop the seeds for us to explore sex and love through these lenses of brain science, power, and personal evolution. You join the conversation by DMing me on social media or leaving a message at 206-659-9865, or especially by joining the Conscious Couples’ Circle at http://society.lisenbury.com
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A lot of women tell me they don't want to talk to their husbands about things that would make their love deeper or their sex better, because of concerns about how he’ll feel.
Can you imagine that things could be hotter in your bedroom?
Is there a fantasy you’d like to live out, or some new position or erotic adventure you’d like to try? If you’re not talking about it -- or if you’re going so far as to NOT THINK ABOUT what might make things juicier for you -- why is that?
I often see women tamping down their dreams and ambitions for their relationship because they’re concerned those desires will feel like an insult to the relationship that they have.
I wanted to devote an episode of the podcast to this because there are some really big underlying factors at play here and there's a huge underlying potential for, claiming more joy, more lightness, and more pleasure in your life and in your relationship if you can get past this mistaken belief that we have to rel in our desires to protect men's feelings about relationship.
The other side of that coin is that we are actively putting a lid on our relationship’s potential, and given that the divorce rate hovers around 50%, I don't think it’s exaggerating to say that some of us are ultimately killing our marriages, in this attempt to protect them from hurt caused by our authentic desires. Women either get fed up of pushing down what they really want, and leave, because their love is dead before their partners ever get a real chance to meet them in the kind of relationship they actually want OR they are so resentful and negative that their partners are the ones who step out and have affairs or leave them for someone with whom they can feel successful in love. So it’s a big deal, right?
That’s why we need to talk about this. I’m going to start by walking you through some of the most common concerns I hear from women about how it's going to feel for their partner, if they bring up something they desire.
You’ll be able to assess which of these fears is stopping you.
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Then we’ll look at the mistaken beliefs that sometimes make men so sensitive to criticism or so fragile in the face of women’s erotic desires, and that in turn make women so protective of men's feelings in this area.
Finally, we’ll look at what we can do about it. By the end, you're going to be able to at least begin to conceive of how you might talk to your partner about your desires in a way that feels joyful and visionary and kind and like an invitation to him, rather than feeling maybe critical or scary or threatening. As always, I desire to serve couples of all flavors and have no interest in marginalizing anyone. That said, with this episode, I’m talking very specifically about cisgendered men in committed relationships with women, so that’s why my language is pointedly specific rather than inclusive. And here we go!
First, let’s talk about how you know you’re hedging your bets, you're short-ordering on your relationship, you're not asking for what you want, you're not talking about the things that you desire with your partner, because you're trying to take care of his feelings.
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See which of these sound like you:
I don't want to tell him that something turns me off because he might feel hurt.
I don't want to ask him to adjust his approach because I don't want him to think that he's not doing a good job.
I don't want to bring this up because he might think I'm not happy, or that I'm saying we have a bad relationship.
I don't want to ask to experiment with something different, because I think he'll think I think he's bad in bed.
I don't want to tell him about this desire I have or this turn-on I felt because I'm afraid he'll think that I want to be with someone else.
Any of those sound like you?
This is what we do. It’s kind, to be sure: we’re sensitive to our husband’s feelings and try not to say things we already know will upset him. But really, if we’re honest, there are other things you DO bring up, right? Things that actually do upset him, that he doesn’t like? You tell him what to do with his laundry or his dishes or his parenting… But sex? That’s really touchy! Love, too.
And here’s why: This might or might not be news to you, but we live in a patriarchal society.
This means, in essence, two important things about this topic of discussing sexual desires with men.
First: in a patriarchy masculinity is privilege… but how masculine someone is - how much privilege his masculinity can confer on him - is in the eyes of the other privileged folks. So every man has to live up to the unspoken but clearly, ubiquitously conveyed standards of masculinity. Masculinity becomes PERFORMATIVE. And sex - in a patriarchal, Puritanical society like ours, is labeled as essentially masculine and essentially dirty. Doing sex “right” means you’re a Real Man. Not being good enough at it means you’re not. Not only is your wife less satisfied than you want her to be, your VERY PRIVILEGE as a MAN is what’s threatened.
These are such high stakes… Not consciously, but always there below the surface. So it’s not the individual frail ego of your man that’s causing you to walk on eggshells… It’s the whole system of mutually conferred male privilege that sets him up for fragility and sets you up to have to protect that fragility.
Patriarchy tells us that men are supposed to want sex, to perform well, sexually - as in, they have be able to get and maintain an erection, to eejaculate... not too soon and not too late… To demonstrate virility.
Today, in the early 21st century, the standards for performative sexuality have expanded even further: not only must a man get it up, keep it up, and fire it off in the right way, he has to show his partner a good time, too. He must GIVE her an orgasm - or orgasms plural. It’s HIS job. HIS doing. Right? You can see this in the language we use - “sexual performance” and “give her an orgasm” - when every woman knows from experience that her orgasms are very much created by the efforts of her own body, heart, and mind, in addition to anything her partner contributes. Still, patriarchy labels sex as something that happens because and when the man wants it, it starts when his penis - erect - penetrates his partner - it ends when he ejaculates. All else is foreplay - a sideshow to the main event. Sex is the man’s JOB, and his prerogative. I know these thoughts don’t describe the entirety of how we think about sex consciously, but they ARE what’s at work when we have a hard time talking about sex or our relationship.
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Now, the other piece of how patriarchy affects a woman’s willingness or ability to successfully ask for what she desires has to do with protecting the privileged. Inside patriarchy, male feeling, male security, male privilege is protected at the cost of all else. So, when we take out the scale and stack a woman’s satisfaction and desire on one side, and we place her husband’s comfort on the other side, her satisfaction and desire will never outweigh his comfort, to the extent that we subscribe to patriarchal ideals.
Protecting the master is the name of the game inside a hierarchy. The Master’s right to comfort, to not being confronted, to not feeling vulnerable is paramount.
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And you may have been hearing a lot lately about white fragility - If you pass as white, I hope you’ve been deliberately seeking to learn more about it. This is a related concept. In a white supremacist culture where those who identify as white have more privilege than anyone else, the emotional comfort, the convenience of white people and their right to avoid feeling confronted outweighs the physical safety, let alone the emotional safety of people of color.
Even inside a marriage, these dynamics can play out between a man and a woman. Patriarchy confers on a man the right to comfort. to feeling like he's a-okay, like he does things really well, like he's unassailable. As the story of patriarchy goes, that ease for him matters more than his wife’s deepest desires, needs, dreams, and visions. Patriarchy taught us to keep him comfortable, no matter what it costs her, and therefore no matter what it costs them both in terms of intimacy.
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Now, I grew up in the 70s and 80s, with a feminist mom and of course I learned lots of things besides a black and white patriarchal model where his comfort matters and my desires and needs don't. And you likely grew up around then maybe a little earlier, maybe several decades later.
So, we aren't built strictly of the stuff of patriarchal womanhood. But that's part of why these ideas are so insidious, because we don't see them, we don't think of ourselves as Victorian maidens fluttering our fans and kowtowing to our men's fragile egos. But patriarchy hides out in shadowy corners of our culture and sexuality, with all of its taboos is a stronghold of these old notions. So to be truly liberated in our sexuality, to have room to build our erotic dreams as freely as we build our dreams around our fitness, our finances, our careers… we have to break the silence. We have to name the fictitious fragility that we have manufactured for men. And we have to begin to dismantle that fiction.
It all starts inside our homes. For each woman, it starts with two things: ONE: enough devotion to the vision of passion and closeness that you’ve been gifted with and TWO: enough skillfulness to be able to talk to your husband in a kind and visionary way.
When you see that more is possible for your living room, for instance… A cozier, more welcoming space.… When you see that more as possible for your meal plans for the dinners that you'll eat together. You don't hold that back, you make it happen, right? You redecorate, you grocery shop, you plan your meals. Those are arenas that are sanctioned by patriarchy as clearly the feminine domain.
Or in other areas like money or vacation plans, I’m guessing you feel free to share your ideas. You don't walk on eggshells around your husband.
But when it comes to what you desire sexually you may have had some experiences that were painful for you or him or both. And after that, it could be that you've backed off and clammed up and stopped dreaming so big and stopped sharing what you yearn for... maybe stopped even paying attention to what you're hungry for. And if so, what effect has that had on your erotic connection together? And on your own erotic intelligence, your own capacity for pleasure and aliveness?
If you've been tamping it down, it may begin to feel like you've got a tourniquet around the brightest, most alive spark in you.
When women talk about wanting to feel that spark again, wanting to feel the butterflies again with their partner, being able to tap into what they really enjoy, what turns them on, what makes them feel most alive, is one of the keys that unlocks those butterflies for a lifetime.
And what we're talking about here is the first step to tapping in: Lifting the edict against asking your husband for something he's not already doing in the erotic realm.
So now let's talk about how we can do that. Let's talk about language.
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Here are the keys to talking to your husband about what you'd like more of.
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KEY 1: TIMING: Bring it up at a good time. Don't bring it up when you're in the middle of something and you don't like it, you're likely to be highly reactive and he's likely to feel deeply vulnerable. Instead, choose a time when you're both totally relaxed and frame it up well.
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KEY 2: CONSENT: Say “there's something I'd like to talk to you about. And it's a little sensitive. But, if we talked about this I think we could have even more fun together in bed. Is now a good time?” If he says, Okay, yeah, let's talk about it. Then he's agreed to it, and he’s likely to be more open than if you’d sprung it on him.. And you have to accept if he says, “No, I'm not up for that right now.” In that case, you know it wouldn't have gone well anyway. And quite likely, his curiosity will get the best of him, if he's not willing immediately and he'll come circling back to you and want to talk about it later. So just be patient if that happens.
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KEY 3: INTENTION: Show him what it will provide for the two of you. Point to a positive intention you have for the conversation, a promise that lies on the other side.. “I want to talk about something that I think will help us share even more pleasure and feel closer.” This lets him know you’re trying to go for something good - and for the vast majority of husbands, he’s deeply motivated to please you, if he sees a clear path to succeeding at that.
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KEY #4: RECIPROCITY: Start the conversation by creating a two way street. Say “You know I love making love with you” or say “I really like when we ____,” whatever you want to name. Then say “And I wonder if we can talk about what each of us would desire to make it even better. So go from strength to strength as the frame and keep the conversation two-way, so he's got an invitation to share with you something that would turn him on, perhaps something he might have fantasized about but never told you. Listen to his idea first, then ask if he’ll listen to yours.
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KEY #5: POSITIVE FOCUS: When it’s your turn to invite, maintain your focus on what your request will provide. Some of the kinds of phrases that you want to use will include
“I think it might really turn me on if…”
“ I think it might be really fun for us, if….”
“I'm wondering if it might feel really good for you to…”
“Something I remember really enjoying with you was that time when….”
“I notice I'm feeling hungry to feel this certain way… I think that would really make me weak in the knees.”
Paint a picture for him of a really smitten, satisfied wife. He wants that.
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KEY #6: CURIOSITY: Frame all of this as an experiment. Rather than setting it up as “there’s a right way to do this” or “I want you to do X”, which might make your partner feel like you have a new standard that they have to live up to… Say “I wonder if we could experiment with….” so that they know that you don't know how this goes, they don't know how this goes, and you don't expect them to. This is going to be fun, it's going to be playful and you're just seeing what happens, seeing whether the result is fun or pleasurable in some way.
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KEY #7: RESILIENCE: Be prepared for and have resilience in the face of any reactivity or pushback you may get. When we're presented with something that is a little bit new or possibly threatening, something that might push some of our insecurities, our immediate response is often one of reactivity.
We want to defend against it, we want to get away from it, we want to fight. So know that that might come up for your husband, and just be relaxed and strong. When you bring up this thing that may be somewhat provocative for your partner, be resilient, so that his initial reaction can blow through, just like an aikido master will let an attacker’s energy flow past them - Without counter-reacting, just let yourself just contain. If you had to deliver the news to a young child that a party was cancelled, you would know that they were going to be upset about it. And you wouldn't get upset with them for being upset about it, you wouldn't try to argue with them, you would just say, “I know, honey. Ouch.”
So, not exactly those words but similarly - we want to hold our partners in whatever reaction they need to have in the immediate term, knowing that their true response to us, their actual engagement with the invitation we’re making, will come after they've had the opportunity to flush out that initial reaction.
If you turn on a faucet that hasn’t been used in months, you’re going to want to run the water a little bit to let the water that’s been standing in the pipes flow through before you drink a glass. The response you're really looking for will come after you've let his initial reaction flow through. Just disregard any initial pushback. That’s natural and it’s nothing personal or heartfelt.
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Those are the seven keys - Timing, Consent, Intention, Reciprocity, Positive Focus, Curiosity, and Resilience.
As you can hear, these are all more than language tips. They’re attitudes, they represent an entire approach that will serve you very well ANY time you're talking in any way about sex or love with your partner.
So that’s what I thought it vital that we talk about.
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I hope this little mini-course on what happens when we’re in bed with the patriarchy and what we can do to ACTUALLY get talking about what we desire will give you some great food for thought and some clear steps you can take action on this week. And I really hope this is just the beginning of our conversation about this topic. I want you to be inspired to open up some new conversations and some new bedroom experiments with your sweetheart, and I want you to feel a mountain of support and solidarity from me and the secret society of turned-on women who are part of this conversation.
e.g.: I hope you found this interview with Theresa valuable, and I hope it inspires you and makes you believe that you can build a small-but-mighty team, and you can get the support that you need.
CALL TO ACTION RE: TOPIC
To get started, just pick one little desire you have, and follow the seven keys in setting up a conversation with your beloved to discover a desire he has and share your invitation to experiment with him. Deal? Are you going to do it? Put it on your action list for the week! Let’s make more & better love, here, sweetness! You deserve it! But nothing moves until you do! After you have the conversation, or if you have questions, come tell us about it in the free community at Conscious Couples’ Circle! Inside there, you’ll find a cheat sheet with the seven keys I introduced today, great conversations, and so much more. See you there!
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SIGNOFF:
Okay, darling. I wish I could hug you! I know it takes a ton of courage to think about shaking things up - potentially rocking the boat with your husband - so I am so grateful and inspired that you listened this far! Thank you so much for tuning in. Go have that conversation! I’ll be back with more, same time next week. Till then, may the light within you illuminate the world around you.